Kuron wrote:One thing to keep in mind, there is no such thing as an expert when it comes to programming. There is always somebody who is going to know more than somebody else. The industry changes too rapidly for anybody to be an expert. So, never be intimidated. Most can remember what it was like being a beginner. Lots of helpful people here who will generally go out of their way to help somebody else.
Thank you very much for the kinds words of encouragement. And , Yes ! , there are a lot of kind and helpful people here , I just think that sometimes people forget why they do what they do themselves and thus also forgets that they may not be the only ones that got their own angle into things - I am glad to see that you are not so
Kuron wrote:I had a few years hiatus from programming, suffered a TBI in 2014 and I have dealt with memory issues since then. I consider myself a beginner in many ways, as I am having to relearn many things. Unfortunately, now it takes several times before something "sinks in".
I am very sorry to hear about your personal misfortune which touched me a lot. But while sad to learn about your misfortune I am also very glad to learn that you have not given up spending time programming. Just remember that you ought *never* measure your *personal success* by what others can do but by how good that you are at doing what you want to do. Also the "way forward" is to appreciate the abilities that one have while setting goals to go forward that are redeemable / solvable as to not get dissatisfied with one self. Even if we have to travel a million miles then we have to start with the first step and then travel mile by mile , and one doesn't get to travel even the first mile if giving up before it starts. So you are right , we must do our best to keep up the spirit :-)
Kuron wrote:I will add, the self-proclaimed experts tend to be the annoying folks who belittle and demean and flat out tell you you are doing wrong and should do it their way. Those are the folks that are best stuck on ignore. Not saying anybody in this thread falls into that category, and I have NOT read any post in this thread except your last one.
I think that what people did here were the "and flat out tell you you are doing wrong and should do it their way". It was kind of like if I had e.g. made this game and put it over at the store at Steampowered : http://store.steampowered.com/app/20151 ... struction/
and then the "User reviews" says : "Overwhelmingly Negative" , and that is sort of how I experienced people in this thread : "Overwhelmingly Negative" , and alas I spend far too much time even caring about it so I responded.
And people do tend to forget that other people can make programs too even if it is not up to specs in their opinion.
Kuron wrote:I am sorry you feel that you were jumped on, but I am equally glad to see you have zero issue sticking up for yourself. I have seen many people over the years who give up on programming because of the treatment they receive from the self-proclaimed experts. Please do not ever let the thought enter your mind. :c)
My best defense is actually to try to not care, "the sticking up for oneself" I think is mostly a waste of time, takes far too much time and generally speaking then you are not going to "win people over" because most people tends forget that they are not the other person and that the other person is an individual and not an object, so e.g. what's good for the gander may not be good for the goose, everyone must row with the oars that he has , and every bird sings with it's beaker , and all sorts of other sayings : what I mean to express is that we are all each one of us an individual and that we all has to make do with what we have and also, we, and not other people are the ones that lives our lives....
BasicCoder2 wrote:I write simple code as my programming skills did not evolve very much over time, it is just a hobby to keep the brain ticking over and for some reason I still enjoy. Had I progressed I would be a top C++ programmer by now.
You don't have to be great at art to enjoy painting and the same goes for other activities..
Personally I am glad to see that you like to code. Because even if some people are not appreciative of what you do then you seem to enjoy yourself a lot and have a good time which means more than anything else.
Personally I don't think that I will ever amount to much in the eyes of so called expert programmers but that doesn't bother me the slightest. Programming to me is an art form and I found out a long time ago that even if I am not particularly good at this or that then I am always adding my own artistic touch to stuff.
Let me give you an example : Within me is a dormant painter (artist) wanting to break out but it never really has. But years ago I did express myself on small scale through drawing and painting. What I painted were very poor measured by what a professional could do , however I possessed ideas and skills back then that I have not really seen outside my own dwelling. Now I have lost most of that skill due to......... but that really doesn't matter seen from a general perspective because I still have that "artistic touch" to use in my doings :-)
My point is , that as long as you got the urge to be creative using computer programming then do so and do never let the "ought to be" or "ought to do" of others stop you from having a very good time :-)
BasicCoder2 wrote:We all have our limits and I know mine.
to me that so makes me think of this one : They Said It Could Never Fly : http://blogs.bu.edu/bioaerial2012/2012/ ... never-fly/
So , there is "realism
" , and then there is "negativity", plus much worse , as in the case with the bumble bee then people sometimes are too hung up on fitting everything into their neat little boxes to able to accept that they might not know or understand everything - why we sometimes all needs to , well , maybe step out of the box when thinking (?) . Really haven't figured it all out yet , but I will have to say that while I in many ways knows my limitations then I am certainly not going to let that stand in my way of trying to alter what I think needs altering or stop me from trying to make what anyone else than I think is impossible :-D
St_W wrote:I can understand that you feel excited about your discovery in your situation, but I'm not, to be honest. I'm sorry for the little empathy.
I do not care if you are not exited - how many times do I have to explain this to you ? , the thread is not aimed at satisfying you or other "expert programmers", it's from me to whoever can appreciate it. Why can't you just accept that ?
deltarho wrote:I am beginning to lose count on the number of threads started by you ending with " ... for Newbies". After only one month of starting using FB I feel that such posts are a little premature. To my mind you are trying to 'Run before you can walk.'
Spoil sport . :-D
deltarho wrote:Well, some of them are needed right now and should be addressed before moving on.
I would like to suggest that you stop trying to impose your values in this matter on me !!!
For me it is much more important to be able to derive some sort of pleasure of what I do and to go where I want to go rather than having to take on your value sets. A lot of the things I push aside now I might not ever learn for one reason or another but if so then there will be a reason for that too , other things I will learn if and when it is the time for it. And I do not agree with your opinion about what is necessarily needed and not needed to program in FB.
I may not ever be able to make whatever you can , but I don't need to I just need to be able to make what I need.
deltarho wrote:and, boy, did you get your back up. <smile>
No not really , but then again you do not know me very well.
deltarho wrote:St_W has never got my back up but then being an INTP, Jungian typology, my nature is 92% thinking and 8% feeling. I may be wrong but I suspect that your feeling level is greater than mine. 100% thinkers are related to Mr Spock. <laugh>
I really , don't know , for the greater part of my life people have accused me of being as you describe yourself , but as far as I am concerned then generally speaking then I am just a being governed by reason more than emotions !.
deltarho wrote:Notice my use of <smile>. I use that a lot along with <laugh> and, occasionally, <grrr!>. They are called interjections used to express an isolated emotion or sentiment. It is my way of avoiding a text-only communication. They are usually placed at the beginning of a sentence but I tend to use them at the end being an awkward SOB. <grin>
I think that you do quite all right with respect to that.
deltarho wrote:I have noticed your placing, for example, the following in your code. : Made by freebasic.net forum member "Trinity" who started using FB and Joined freebasic.net forum at Sep 16, 2017 18:07"
I am not a psychologist but some folk may interpret that negatively.
I can not stop people from interpreting but I meant to express two things , one , I meant to make a clear distinction between I and any other user of the "nick" Trinity , and two : I meant to express that I had only one months of experience with FB when making this - expressing both the good and the bad sides of that. (while yo seem to be hung up on the negative)
deltarho wrote:Please accept the following advice from an old fart who has 'rubbed up' more people than you have had hot dinners, probably.
You have no idea how much of my life I have spend trying to "chill it" ;-) :-D
deltarho wrote:Further advice. Draft your responses in a text editor and read it a few times before posting. That way you will have the opportunity to remove stuff that you may regret having written. Perhaps you do, in which case it may be worthwhile to put it to one side for a while. I use, as I have done here, an application called 'EZ-Post' by a guy at the PowerBASIC forums. It has 'Code', 'Quote', 'Link' and such like built in. It may be worthwhile to rewrite it for FreeBASIC - I will have a word with the author.
You are absolutely right that I ought to put stuff aside for a while sometimes and I do that with a lot of stuff , and then re-read , but this is a forum and time is an issue also as far as I am concerned. Anyway , I have learned that I can read stuff ten times and then not catch an error before seeing it posted - I mean I preview mostly everything I post several times prior to posting but that doesn't prevent me from having to fix errors in what I have written.
Kuron wrote:I hate to see anybody who has an interest in programming feel they may not be good enough based on the comments of somebody else.
My point exactly , but that's not just a matter of programming but also true about initiative in so many aspects of life , but that's a discussion to wide and big for here...
deltarho wrote:"Knowing your own darkness is the best method for dealing with the darkness of other people."
If you understood your own darkness you would understand that the only way to deal with that is to persistently seek the light - and to the extend that you do not agree with that is the extend to which you do not understand your own darkness. Now! , that's out of the way , could we then please drop this discussion ?
(The time it takes for all of this is simply far too long - this post in it's entire scope took me like four hours to write)