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FB 1.02 release

Postby dkl » Apr 01, 2015 14:01

Hello,

it's been 3 months again, and I think it's time for a new release. There aren't super-many changes like with the 1-year release cycles we had before, but still.

There are some big binding updates (Windows API, OpenGL, GTK+, SDL, even X11), all with 64bit support now, that probably shouldn't be held back. Although, I expect there will be some issue with them. Big updates are always risky. For example, the new bindings support the Const specifiers, which some of the old ones did not, and that could cause old code to no longer compile.

Well, I'm thinking about doing the new release this weekend, if all works out. It'll be good to have the first 2015 release. Cheers.
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Re: FB 1.02 release

Postby TJF » Apr 02, 2015 8:01

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Re: FB 1.02 release

Postby marcov » Apr 02, 2015 8:08

A bit more context please.

The files that are shown on that page with copyright removed seem to have their content wholly replaced, iow without original content remaining. So where is the violation?
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Re: FB 1.02 release

Postby TJF » Apr 02, 2015 9:56

@marcov

Why are you that destructive again?

You know that adding a tabulator or formating keywords in lower case letters doesn't dissolve copyright.
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Re: FB 1.02 release

Postby marcov » Apr 02, 2015 10:40

TJF wrote:@marcov
Why are you that destructive again?


I'm not destructive. I just ask for clarification. The fact that you feel attacked with every bit of criticism or even a mere question is not my fault.

For clarity, I'm talking about the 3 files on display above that only contain something like:

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+#ifdef __USE_GTK3__
+ #include once "gtk3.bi"
+#else
+ #include once "gtk2.bi"
+#endif


which are the ones shown by your link and it seems a bit over the top to debate copyright over these trivial lines.

You know that adding a tabulator or formating keywords in lower case letters doesn't dissolve copyright.


What is there to copyright in the first place? Where is the originality ? Moreover if you want to be so precise, it is a header translation, so where is the original copyright from where it was translated from?

Anyway, the copyright on headers is shady to begin with (see e.g. the various Santa Cruz/SCO cases including the so called "Settlement" about the BSD copyrights), since they are regarded to be published interfaces for inter operation.

Worse these are not even headers that generate code, merely including files (all challenges on headers always have been on macros that actually could be used to generate code). And these are not codegenerating macros, not even declarations but boilerplate preprocessor code only.

Maybe you have some principal point to make, but you could've asked nicely that you want to see some notice retained instead of making a terse copyright violation claim. Now THAT"s destructive.
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Re: FB 1.02 release

Postby TJF » Apr 02, 2015 10:59

I asked nicely for some touching up. I'll repeat it more nice, just to make marcov happy :

    ♡♫ Please do some touching-up. ♫♡
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Re: FB 1.02 release

Postby dkl » Apr 02, 2015 13:21

The new headers are not just reformatted, but rather created new from ground-up. The sources/scripts/tools for that can be found here:
https://github.com/dkl/fbbindings
https://github.com/dkl/fbfrog
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Re: FB 1.02 release

Postby TJF » Apr 02, 2015 13:30

I saw that.

You removed copyright notices from files that didn't change (just file names are different).
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Re: FB 1.02 release

Postby D.J.Peters » Apr 02, 2015 13:59

@dkl why does fbfrog removes names from all defined params ?

From my point of view *.h and *.bi include files are a kind of documentation also.

For example If you read this declare you have to go online and search what are the 3 ulong params means:

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declare function XCreatePixmap(byval as Display ptr, byval as Drawable, byval as ulong, byval as ulong, byval as ulong) as Pixmap
would be better to have the names of the params:

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declare function XCreatePixmap(byval display as Display ptr, byval d as Drawable, byval width as ulong, byval height as ulong, byval depth as ulong) as Pixmap
How ever you have done a good job.

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Re: FB 1.02 release

Postby dkl » Apr 02, 2015 14:51

The parameter names seem to be commented out in the C headers:

libX11-1.6.3/include/X11/Xlib.h wrote:extern Pixmap XCreatePixmap(
Display* /* display */,
Drawable /* d */,
unsigned int /* width */,
unsigned int /* height */,
unsigned int /* depth */
);


(otherwise, fbfrog would have preserved them. But it ignores comments currently.)
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Re: FB 1.02 release

Postby D.J.Peters » Apr 02, 2015 15:05

dkl wrote:The parameter names seem to be commented out in the C headers:
OK I see thank you.
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Re: FB 1.02 release

Postby St_W » Apr 03, 2015 20:42

Nice to see that more and more headers can be generated automatically and less and less manual work is needed.

Were the headers generated without manual intervention? or how much manual rework was/is needed?
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Re: FB 1.02 release

Postby ike » Apr 04, 2015 4:56

Last time I download FB 1.01 from sourceforge and it was 9MB, Now I got 1.02 from st_W links and it is 5MB

Am I missing something?
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Re: FB 1.02 release

Postby fxm » Apr 04, 2015 5:12

The additional headers are also available at http://users.freebasic-portal.de/stw/builds/.
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Re: FB 1.02 release

Postby dkl » Apr 04, 2015 11:55

St_W wrote:Were the headers generated without manual intervention? or how much manual rework was/is needed?


It still requires manual work in most cases, but it's managable (especially in comparison to the size of the generated binding). The good thing though is that most of the manual modifications can be re-applied automatically when updating the binding later.

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